Nerf DS

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:37

Escrito por Nations, 16.01.2017 at 16:36

Guys DS is fine as it is.You guys are gonna keep nerfing strategies till only thing that will be playable will be PD.Remember when u cried about RA being op and now after u got your hands on it u fucked the poor strategy up big time? Deja vu! Just because a specific strategy is strong with a specific country in a specific default map area doesnt mean strategy is op! DS is by no means overpowered.In world map either 10k or 50k you cant dominate a good opponent while you being DS...So same logic GW ukraine is op does that mean that we should nerf GW? .....................

Ra was op; 90 cost for 9 attack tanks... thts A1 bullshit right there

DS is op not only in UKR as you claim it is. OP in spain, germany, and especially in 5k settings

Gw ukraine is not as op as people make it out to be, it is very beatable, only no one knows how. Going into 5k, is gw op there too? yes! However, what makes it different is that it doesnt work in all 5k country settings, in fact, it doesnt work in that many. DS on the other hand (outside of volga and ukraine) works anywhere in 5k.

Granted, DS cost is fine if u ask me, and the attack is fine, it just needs to revert back to its original ways. Back then it was more balanced, and was more fair. Quite simple really

So if you are trying to make logical argument, please try using some first, thanks

while PD isnt op,50 cost for 7def infatry(+1 against tanks).

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal.

I did pointed that before.

https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=23772

But that was actually a good thing, and I'm not used to support Laochra in theses things. I can't find the thread where he posted theses changes because I got him ignorelisted, but I'm sure it's somewhere in the general forums.

If I remember right the change was 2 years ago. But even with it, DS isn't overpowered and defending is still as complicated as ever.

Particularly for this thread I kind-of agree that DS is not the problem but Ukraine itself. In 1vs1, you can make almost any strategy to work there. I still find GC/GW Ukraine to be stronger than DS because theses two are harder to be rushed and easier to expand (most ukr zone is militia so DS bonus against infs can't be used pretty effective there).

In 3vs3, DS UKR is harder because you don't have a crazy expansion zone and your cities are too far to defend your capital easy, plus $550 for a air transport is really a thing. Recapping isn't that easy unless you get funds from your allies, either (Ukr average economy ranges from 1.2k to 1.8k there, about 10 or 13 helis per turn).

So overlooking at the horrendous subjectively-based country comparison and judging DS in the objectively-based niche comparison, it only became stronger in games such as 3k Europe+ because you can defend easier and still rush harder. It still isn't as strong as IF (to win early game) nor as cost-efficient as GW (to win late game) but it is indeed, viable.

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:37

DS is op not only in UKR as you claim it is. OP in spain, germany, and especially in 5k settings

Damm you beat me to it there.

No, DS is viable but not overpowered for Spain. LB is still way better for any sort of initial rush and there are more cost-efficient strategies for the lategame.
No, DS is horrendous for Germany.
No, DS is not overpowered in 5k settings and it doesn't beat either IF on power-rushing or GW in lategame.

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:37

DS on the other hand (outside of volga and ukraine) works anywhere in 5k.

This is false. You can play it anywhere but it isn't viable everywhere. Particularly for Portugal, Any scandinavian country, Greece, Switzerland, Benelux, and any poor-as-fuck country far from rich countries such as the Caucasus it isn't any good. It is not good either for pretty costly countries such as Northwest or south Russia (or Volga/Ukraine as you pointed out).Other strategies vastly outperform DS there.

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

Escrito por 4nic, 15.01.2017 at 16:51

Thats their job...to kill infs if u havent noticed they gain +2att vs infs and +1 att vs milita they also have the worst defence so rushing helis with tanks and bombers is ur best option (helis have same defence as milita)

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal. Heres what i suggst:

Helis
Attack: same
Defense: -1
Crit: -1

Militia
Attack: same
Defense: same
Range: -1

I feel that if we take a crit point away from helis it can do away with some of those crazy rolls that helis seem to get, but keeping the attack will still keep the cultish appeal to playing the strat. Getting rid of the defense would mean that players cant just simply rush balkans with helis as ukraine, because now they cant really hold them that well. This would lead to an increase in thought and strategical thinking as players will have to genuinely think about where and when to rush, and not just rush anything and everything with a gray star/circle on it.

if milita gets -1 range nobody would play it,it has 0 use outside eu+ 10k,have you seen anyone play 50k ds? no cus they always get destroyed by tanks and bombers, last thing it needs is nerf,look how RA ended after it got it

The reason i stated ds ukraine is overpowered before clovis(who claims to have me on ignore) began mudslinging was because of its' performance relative to the other ukraine strats. Heres the thing, i can do a safe uncontestable expansion with ukr, get 35-40(roll dependent) into my cap t3 and have 20 helis nearby for a recap. By the start of t5 i can have over 2k income and 170-180 units in practice almost matching your standard turk t5 unit count. In comparison neither gc, pd gw or sm can match that. Ds expands better than any other strat against neutrals and now with the buffed militia it is worth using up all your reins and spamming them. If turk fails to get some essential tbs and/or cap you by t5/t6 they are usually pretty fucked. Theres stacks of militia on the frontlines to chewthrough and an increasingingly rich ukraine begins producing more and more helis. Again i can demonstrate this in practice.

The thing about the eu+ 5k and 10k meta is that it is a great indicator of how strategies will perform elsewhere. This is due to its unmatched diversity in income ranges and city density. I am not saying that strategies should be changed solely from performance in those settings(people like to tell me regularly thats what i do). For example imp, gw sm and mos need to be judged from other settings as well for a full picture.

The fact of the matter is ds has become a hybrid of a spamstrat and a powerstrat. Being able to dominate with it on africa 3k pretty much says it all really. It is lethal on 5k too. Clovis is right when he says IF is better mathematically. But he fails to take into account the range of ds(more expansion and agression options) and the mobile militia.

I would not wish to see it reverted to its' original state. DS was ok back then and situational but largely underused and considered a troll strat. I believe we should remove the militia bonuses and beta +1 defence for the infantry in cities for a while. -2 crit to inf so its like sm infantry. The bonus would have to be only in cities and defence lines so it doesnt increase ds already formidable expansion contesting capabilities. This would give ds the ability to defend somewhat, it would solve the unit spam issue and stop ds from ruining the meta of the economical strats on low fund settings like Africa.

Edit: i should also mention the unforeseen marine upgrade that was added for helis after the boost. This was actually quite significant as it gives more expansion options.

Escrito por 4nic, 17.01.2017 at 10:45

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

Escrito por 4nic, 15.01.2017 at 16:51

Thats their job...to kill infs if u havent noticed they gain +2att vs infs and +1 att vs milita they also have the worst defence so rushing helis with tanks and bombers is ur best option (helis have same defence as milita)

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal. Heres what i suggst:

Helis
Attack: same
Defense: -1
Crit: -1

Militia
Attack: same
Defense: same
Range: -1

I feel that if we take a crit point away from helis it can do away with some of those crazy rolls that helis seem to get, but keeping the attack will still keep the cultish appeal to playing the strat. Getting rid of the defense would mean that players cant just simply rush balkans with helis as ukraine, because now they cant really hold them that well. This would lead to an increase in thought and strategical thinking as players will have to genuinely think about where and when to rush, and not just rush anything and everything with a gray star/circle on it.

if milita gets -1 range nobody would play it,it has 0 use outside eu+ 10k,have you seen anyone play 50k ds? no cus they always get destroyed by tanks and bombers, last thing it needs is nerf,look how RA ended after it got it

thats obviously false considering people still played it before the boost so...

and ra was overnerfed.. all im saying is revert ds back to the way it was......... no one can read apparently

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 11:27

Escrito por 4nic, 17.01.2017 at 10:45

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

Escrito por 4nic, 15.01.2017 at 16:51

Thats their job...to kill infs if u havent noticed they gain +2att vs infs and +1 att vs milita they also have the worst defence so rushing helis with tanks and bombers is ur best option (helis have same defence as milita)

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal. Heres what i suggst:

Helis
Attack: same
Defense: -1
Crit: -1

Militia
Attack: same
Defense: same
Range: -1

I feel that if we take a crit point away from helis it can do away with some of those crazy rolls that helis seem to get, but keeping the attack will still keep the cultish appeal to playing the strat. Getting rid of the defense would mean that players cant just simply rush balkans with helis as ukraine, because now they cant really hold them that well. This would lead to an increase in thought and strategical thinking as players will have to genuinely think about where and when to rush, and not just rush anything and everything with a gray star/circle on it.

if milita gets -1 range nobody would play it,it has 0 use outside eu+ 10k,have you seen anyone play 50k ds? no cus they always get destroyed by tanks and bombers, last thing it needs is nerf,look how RA ended after it got it

thats obviously false considering people still played it before the boost so...

and ra was overnerfed.. all im saying is revert ds back to the way it was......... no one can read apparently

RA war nerfed because Eagle and Laochra couldnt beat it in europe 10k,or hadnt found a way how to,so instead of rynig to find a way to beat it,they prefered to lick admin ass and cry in forums.RA wasnt by any means overpowered.And after all that dck sucking admins decided to nerf it and made absolute crap.Getting you bankrupt turn 4 and getting no extra attack.

Escrito por Nations, 17.01.2017 at 14:41

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 11:27

Escrito por 4nic, 17.01.2017 at 10:45

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

Escrito por 4nic, 15.01.2017 at 16:51

Thats their job...to kill infs if u havent noticed they gain +2att vs infs and +1 att vs milita they also have the worst defence so rushing helis with tanks and bombers is ur best option (helis have same defence as milita)

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal. Heres what i suggst:

Helis
Attack: same
Defense: -1
Crit: -1

Militia
Attack: same
Defense: same
Range: -1

I feel that if we take a crit point away from helis it can do away with some of those crazy rolls that helis seem to get, but keeping the attack will still keep the cultish appeal to playing the strat. Getting rid of the defense would mean that players cant just simply rush balkans with helis as ukraine, because now they cant really hold them that well. This would lead to an increase in thought and strategical thinking as players will have to genuinely think about where and when to rush, and not just rush anything and everything with a gray star/circle on it.

if milita gets -1 range nobody would play it,it has 0 use outside eu+ 10k,have you seen anyone play 50k ds? no cus they always get destroyed by tanks and bombers, last thing it needs is nerf,look how RA ended after it got it

thats obviously false considering people still played it before the boost so...

and ra was overnerfed.. all im saying is revert ds back to the way it was......... no one can read apparently

RA war nerfed because Eagle and Laochra couldnt beat it in europe 10k,or hadnt found a way how to,so instead of rynig to find a way to beat it,they prefered to lick admin ass and cry in forums.RA wasnt by any means overpowered.And after all that dck sucking admins decided to nerf it and made absolute crap.Getting you bankrupt turn 4 and getting no extra attack.

lao and eagle werent the only ones having issues, i played ra and it was quite op, didnt lose a single game i used it. there were plenty of others asking for an ra nerf.. in fact, if you recall, the majority of people did want it nerfed, so it was not just eagle and lao as u claim.

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

Gw Pd and are also overpowered, and in the context of eu+ ds ukr will have time to build up a good economy quick enough to kill turkey, trust me, we have all tried and ds players are changing and have found better ways to use it, making it damn near impossible to beat them.... Im not saying it requires no skill, but right now it is super strong on alot of maps and countries

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 20:59

Escrito por Nations, 17.01.2017 at 14:41

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 11:27

Escrito por 4nic, 17.01.2017 at 10:45

Escrito por Sultan of Swing, 17.01.2017 at 09:33

Escrito por 4nic, 15.01.2017 at 16:51

Thats their job...to kill infs if u havent noticed they gain +2att vs infs and +1 att vs milita they also have the worst defence so rushing helis with tanks and bombers is ur best option (helis have same defence as milita)

ds helis defense actually have the same as militia, or 5 (wow thats just terrible!) how interesting that its come to that no one remembers the DS buff. DS was fine just a year ago.. helis attack is fine if u ask me, the defense needs to go back to 4, and the militia range needs to go back to normal. Heres what i suggst:

Helis
Attack: same
Defense: -1
Crit: -1

Militia
Attack: same
Defense: same
Range: -1

I feel that if we take a crit point away from helis it can do away with some of those crazy rolls that helis seem to get, but keeping the attack will still keep the cultish appeal to playing the strat. Getting rid of the defense would mean that players cant just simply rush balkans with helis as ukraine, because now they cant really hold them that well. This would lead to an increase in thought and strategical thinking as players will have to genuinely think about where and when to rush, and not just rush anything and everything with a gray star/circle on it.

if milita gets -1 range nobody would play it,it has 0 use outside eu+ 10k,have you seen anyone play 50k ds? no cus they always get destroyed by tanks and bombers, last thing it needs is nerf,look how RA ended after it got it

thats obviously false considering people still played it before the boost so...

and ra was overnerfed.. all im saying is revert ds back to the way it was......... no one can read apparently

RA war nerfed because Eagle and Laochra couldnt beat it in europe 10k,or hadnt found a way how to,so instead of rynig to find a way to beat it,they prefered to lick admin ass and cry in forums.RA wasnt by any means overpowered.And after all that dck sucking admins decided to nerf it and made absolute crap.Getting you bankrupt turn 4 and getting no extra attack.

lao and eagle werent the only ones having issues, i played ra and it was quite op, didnt lose a single game i used it. there were plenty of others asking for an ra nerf.. in fact, if you recall, the majority of people did want it nerfed, so it was not just eagle and lao as u claim.

proof,i can fin threats where lao and eagle asked for RA and b,itz nerf,and the majority of people in comments were against it.

Escrito por Checkmate., 17.01.2017 at 22:46

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

Gw Pd and are also overpowered, and in the context of eu+ ds ukr will have time to build up a good economy quick enough to kill turkey, trust me, we have all tried and ds players are changing and have found better ways to use it, making it damn near impossible to beat them.... Im not saying it requires no skill, but right now it is super strong on alot of maps and countries

IT requires no skill, players that never played ukr(4nic) now play it with ds, no skill, just know expansion and it works, they cannot probably predict turkish moves, but they again win.

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

you should know better than this, turk is not weaker than ukraine. Anyway read my post.

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:13

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 06:33

Escrito por Checkmate., 17.01.2017 at 22:46

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

Gw Pd and are also overpowered, and in the context of eu+ ds ukr will have time to build up a good economy quick enough to kill turkey, trust me, we have all tried and ds players are changing and have found better ways to use it, making it damn near impossible to beat them.... Im not saying it requires no skill, but right now it is super strong on alot of maps and countries

IT requires no skill, players that never played ukr(4nic) now play it with ds, no skill, just know expansion and it works, they cannot probably predict turkish moves, but they again win.

Says the noob who always t3 rushes as sm ukr
How many times uve played ukr in your 800game long history? Maybe the firsttime i played ukr i wasnt skilled but after hundreds of games as playing it? Im sure thats more than u have ever rushed t3.

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:23

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 06:33

Escrito por Checkmate., 17.01.2017 at 22:46

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

Gw Pd and are also overpowered, and in the context of eu+ ds ukr will have time to build up a good economy quick enough to kill turkey, trust me, we have all tried and ds players are changing and have found better ways to use it, making it damn near impossible to beat them.... Im not saying it requires no skill, but right now it is super strong on alot of maps and countries

IT requires no skill, players that never played ukr(4nic) now play it with ds, no skill, just know expansion and it works, they cannot probably predict turkish moves, but they again win.

Says the noob who always t3 rushes as sm ukr
How many times uve played ukr in your 800game long history? Maybe the firsttime i played ukr i wasnt skilled but after hundreds of games as playing it? Im sure thats more than u have ever rushed t3.

Babyboo, I know to play without rushing, but rushing is funny, and these days everyone thinks you play as ds ukraine, or gw, without any rush early game. I only rush in duels btw, cry because i steal your elo :* I don't even know why do i excuse for my playstyle, im playing this game for 4 years, and 3 years im slowrolling, it became boring, that's why basically everyone old left the game, i changed my playstyle and the game is again interesting. You are the last person to hate me here, you never played ukr before DS, i would like to see you playing pd/sm ukr.

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 07:31

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:23

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 06:33

Escrito por Checkmate., 17.01.2017 at 22:46

Escrito por Chess, 17.01.2017 at 22:11

Since when is DS OP? Funds has always been DS Problem beside from the fact that it's defence sucks. Only if you manage to get hold of enough countries to fund your insane costs DS is powerful. Early game DS is very vulnerable... if you don't manage to stall DS expansion, don't be surprised if shit rains down on your afterwards.
I don't think GW/GC/PD Ukraine is any weaker than DS Ukraine. Generally I would say Ukraine is much stronger than Turkey. Even with None hue.

Gw Pd and are also overpowered, and in the context of eu+ ds ukr will have time to build up a good economy quick enough to kill turkey, trust me, we have all tried and ds players are changing and have found better ways to use it, making it damn near impossible to beat them.... Im not saying it requires no skill, but right now it is super strong on alot of maps and countries

IT requires no skill, players that never played ukr(4nic) now play it with ds, no skill, just know expansion and it works, they cannot probably predict turkish moves, but they again win.

Says the noob who always t3 rushes as sm ukr
How many times uve played ukr in your 800game long history? Maybe the firsttime i played ukr i wasnt skilled but after hundreds of games as playing it? Im sure thats more than u have ever rushed t3.

Babyboo, I know to play without rushing, but rushing is funny, and these days everyone thinks you play as ds ukraine, or gw, without any rush early game. I only rush in duels btw, cry because i steal your elo :* I don't even know why do i excuse for my playstyle, im playing this game for 4 years, and 3 years im slowrolling, it became boring, that's why basically everyone old left the game, i changed my playstyle and the game is again interesting. You are the last person to hate me here, you never played ukr before DS, i would like to see you playing pd/sm ukr.

If you are a slowroller then you suck at it.

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:39

If you are a slowroller then you suck at it.

Im not slowrolling for a year already, and you are the last player that can rate my play, i rape you in duels and you are ds ukr player.

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 07:56

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:39

If you are a slowroller then you suck at it.

Im not slowrolling for a year already, and you are the last player that can rate my play, i rape you in duels and you are ds ukr player.

Oh god...ive never even played ds against you only reason i lost as turk was cus i didnt knew that u were such a retard rusher..but ok in next duel u have the privelege to go turk and get your ass handed to you..u say i only know 1ds expansion?while i always experiment with it,point being i can rape you in 100different ways.

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 08:01

Escrito por Oleg, 18.01.2017 at 07:56

Escrito por 4nic, 18.01.2017 at 07:39

If you are a slowroller then you suck at it.

Im not slowrolling for a year already, and you are the last player that can rate my play, i rape you in duels and you are ds ukr player.

Oh god...ive never even played ds against you only reason i lost as turk was cus i didnt knew that u were such a retard rusher..but ok in next duel u have the privelege to go turk and get your ass handed to you..u say i only know 1ds expansion?while i always experiment with it,point being i can rape you in 100different ways.

Respect the players that play longer than you, and dont call them noob rushers, or Steve Aoki will kill u while you sleep.

Escrito por Checkmate., 16.01.2017 at 11:43

I get what you are saying clovis, but the fact is that infantry is one of the most cost effective and useful units in the game for many strategies, for a strategy to specifically wreck those units is a little too strong in my opinion....

Every strategy needs a counter

Escrito por Nations, 16.01.2017 at 16:36

Guys DS is fine as it is.You guys are gonna keep nerfing strategies till only thing that will be playable will be PD.Remember when u cried about RA being op and now after u got your hands on it u fucked the poor strategy up big time? Deja vu! Just because a specific strategy is strong with a specific country in a specific default map area doesnt mean strategy is op! DS is by no means overpowered.In world map either 10k or 50k you cant dominate a good opponent while you being DS...So same logic GW ukraine is op does that mean that we should nerf GW? .....................

Why not? Lets just get rid of all stategies all togather except for PD

Escrito por cascaval, 19.01.2017 at 11:37

Escrito por Nations, 16.01.2017 at 16:36

Guys DS is fine as it is.You guys are gonna keep nerfing strategies till only thing that will be playable will be PD.Remember when u cried about RA being op and now after u got your hands on it u fucked the poor strategy up big time? Deja vu! Just because a specific strategy is strong with a specific country in a specific default map area doesnt mean strategy is op! DS is by no means overpowered.In world map either 10k or 50k you cant dominate a good opponent while you being DS...So same logic GW ukraine is op does that mean that we should nerf GW? .....................

Why not? Lets just get rid of all stategies all togather except for PD

As it seems they are going to do it They want DS counters? Maybe then buff blitz and RA........

First of all, dont even listen to Laochra in this thread. Any strategy-epedemic is the last thing we need again from Laochra.

Stop fucking complainig about every strategy that is getting used more and by different styles. People complained about DS being an useless strategy that nobody plays, now finally its used by alot of people and you guys want to go back to the old one? How about learn2play and buy some AA's! Yes AA's that unit you probably havent build in agea or did not even buy as upgrade.

Stop being self-centered and selfish with every fucking strategy, learn to play it or leave it. Simple as that.

As for clovis, please keep on going bae ur doing fine! Ill support u <3 Go clovis go!

Escrito por Waffel, 19.01.2017 at 11:46

First of all, dont even listen to Laochra in this thread. Any strategy-epedemic is the last thing we need again from Laochra.

Stop fucking complainig about every strategy that is getting used more and by different styles. People complained about DS being an useless strategy that nobody plays, now finally its used by alot of people and you guys want to go back to the old one? How about learn2play and buy some AA's! Yes AA's that unit you probably havent build in agea or did not even buy as upgrade.

Stop being self-centered and selfish with every fucking strategy, learn to play it or leave it. Simple as that.

As for clovis, please keep on going bae ur doing fine! Ill support u <3 Go clovis go!

You've sided with the devil, youre dead to me.

Escrito por Waffel, 19.01.2017 at 11:46

First of all, dont even listen to Laochra in this thread. Any strategy-epedemic is the last thing we need again from Laochra.

Stop fucking complainig about every strategy that is getting used more and by different styles. People complained about DS being an useless strategy that nobody plays, now finally its used by alot of people and you guys want to go back to the old one? How about learn2play and buy some AA's! Yes AA's that unit you probably havent build in agea or did not even buy as upgrade.

Stop being self-centered and selfish with every fucking strategy, learn to play it or leave it. Simple as that.

As for clovis, please keep on going bae ur doing fine! Ill support u <3 Go clovis go!

You've sided with 4nic and support clovis1122, youre dead to me.
P.S Go and say yes finally....

Escrito por Permamuted, 19.01.2017 at 22:49

Escrito por Waffel, 19.01.2017 at 11:46

First of all, dont even listen to Laochra in this thread. Any strategy-epedemic is the last thing we need again from Laochra.

Stop fucking complainig about every strategy that is getting used more and by different styles. People complained about DS being an useless strategy that nobody plays, now finally its used by alot of people and you guys want to go back to the old one? How about learn2play and buy some AA's! Yes AA's that unit you probably havent build in agea or did not even buy as upgrade.

Stop being self-centered and selfish with every fucking strategy, learn to play it or leave it. Simple as that.

As for clovis, please keep on going bae ur doing fine! Ill support u <3 Go clovis go!

You've sided with the devil, youre dead to me.

xaxaxaxax

Escrito por Permamuted, 19.01.2017 at 22:49

You've sided with the devil, youre dead to me.

Lol its waffel you are talking about.. last year he was trashtalking hdrakon and clovis. This year he trashtalks Laochra and all nationalists, cheers hdrakon and sides with clovis and commando eagle. Any name for that particular disorder?

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 20.01.2017 at 09:53

Escrito por Permamuted, 19.01.2017 at 22:49

You've sided with the devil, youre dead to me.

Lol its waffel you are talking about.. last year he was trashtalking hdrakon and clovis. This year he trashtalks Laochra and all nationalists, cheers hdrakon and sides with clovis and commando eagle. Any name for that particular disorder?

Yeah. I think it was called #TalkingShitAboutPeopleBecauseTheyBelieveInAnotherReligionThanYouDoOrHaveOtherBeliefsThanYouDoIsNotTheRightThingToDo-Disorder.

And I didnt trashtalk Laochra nor clovis, me and Laochra are just joking, but you on the other hand cant see that because you still have your ''Waffel-is-not-on-my-side-of-this-subject-so-I-hate-him-and-forget-about-all-the-years-I-know-him-but-just-simply-hate-him-for-not-supporting-me-on-this-subject-glasses'' on. Oh lets also not forget about the ''I-hate-muslims-and-thats-why-I-cant-be-objective-about-these-subjects-glasses''.

But anyways, I am not gonna make this a flamewar between you and me, and then CE interfering on my side, and Cive and all these other USA-nationalists on your side. If you wanna respond to me, do it here, which I wont respond to, or do it on PM and maybe if your response is worthy for me to respond, ill respond on it on PM.

Have a nice life Khal

I trashtalk because im the best pound for pound fighter on atwar..the king does whatever the fook he wants

Escrito por Guest, 20.01.2017 at 11:08

I trashtalk because im the best pound for pound fighter on atwar..the king does whatever the fook he wants

i respect you way more than waffel lol. You are muslim so by definition we will never see eye to eye and our interests collide and thats logical. What is absurd is young, peacefull, liberal gay Europeans like waffel supporting muslim terrorists and illiterate wanna be criminals like commando eagle. These are the worst kind of ignorant cucks, the traitors that sell out their own people and ideals and are destroying our countries.

Escrito por Waffel, 20.01.2017 at 11:06

Yeah. I think it was called #TalkingShitAboutPeopleBecauseTheyBelieveInAnotherReligionThanYouDoOrHaveOtherBeliefsThanYouDoIsNotTheRightThingToDo-Disorder.

And I didnt trashtalk Laochra nor clovis, me and Laochra are just joking, but you on the other hand cant see that because you still have your ''Waffel-is-not-on-my-side-of-this-subject-so-I-hate-him-and-forget-about-all-the-years-I-know-him-but-just-simply-hate-him-for-not-supporting-me-on-this-subject-glasses'' on. Oh lets also not forget about the ''I-hate-muslims-and-thats-why-I-cant-be-objective-about-these-subjects-glasses''.

But anyways, I am not gonna make this a flamewar between you and me, and then CE interfering on my side, and Cive and all these other USA-nationalists on your side. If you wanna respond to me, do it here, which I wont respond to, or do it on PM and maybe if your response is worthy for me to respond, ill respond on it on PM.

Have a nice life Khal

Im not joking,you're siding with the guy who spent the entirety of my time as a mod spamming the admins inboxes, the forums and anyone whod listen with lies and out of context screenshots in order to try and get me demoted. He set himself against me in every way out of jealousy and spite. He was even reporting you and your your fellow syndi clanmates for global abuse and lied about that too yet you still talk to him for some reason.

And yea ive read the offtopic and sorry but im teamkhal on this one. You have a nice life too.