Liberalism vs. Conservatism

Just simply pick between these 2 major options about your life/political/value/society opinions and standings.

If you want, explain us in comment why you picked liberalism/conservatism.

I'm a fiscal conservative but open to more liberal ideals (national healthcare, subsidized schooling/day care, etc. only if we can afford it). Socially, I am a liberal- we're all people and should be treated with respect and dignity. I'm against political correctness, and feel government should stay out of the economy when there is growth but get involved when their is a recession.depression by funding large public works and cutting taxes to increase spending and get the economy running again/ Once a recession or depression ends, government needs to step back, raise taxes back up, and allow the free market to do what it does best. I support proportional voting when allocating seats (gerrymandering is terrible). I'm okay with a progressive tax rate, just nothing too outrageous. Overall, I consider myself a conservative but also a moderate willing to accept ideals on both sides of the spectrum if they will work.

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

ho

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

Yes khal, because liberals are any better.

Hopefully your post was not a bait in order to reply with: "haha, fool, in anarchism there is no left or right".

All liberals must be shot.


Preferably in the head.

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

I actually vote none of the above.

But this a moment I will treasure forever,
I'm relevant enough to get mentioned in someone else's post.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 19:41

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

I actually vote none of the above.

But this a moment I will treasure forever,
I'm relevant enough to get mentioned in someone else's post.

same thats why i upvoted its pretty cool

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes.

very good
But I do hate Bush.....

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 06.10.2015 at 18:19

Phoinix, sheba, virus, valetorius = 4 first conservative votes. go big corporations go. go bush go. you dissapoint me kids

SIlly Khal, I support capitalism- an economic theory built upon competition between businesses. When one business forms a monopoly, then it is not capitalism but an oligarchy at which point the government- the representatives of the people- must step in to break up the monopolies and restore competition bringing back capitalism.

I'm okay with big corporations so long as they aren't monopolies nor evade taxes (through loopholes).

You make a reference to Bush assuming that:

A. All conservatives adore the guy

and

B. That somehow you would entice us to do whatever is in your sick sick fantasy in your head



But we both like GoT so it's kay

I'm none of the above, I'm a fascist, and in this post, I will explain why.

Despite the bullshit that Tito spews saying that I'm an evilnazithatwantsotkill6millionjews, this couldn't more incorrect.

I am a fascist because:

1.) I believe Democracy is a flawed system that can never be fixed.
•Democracy destroys the unity of the people since it creates factionalism.
•Democracy turns millions of alien groups into citizens, thus carelessly destroying the ancient ethnic make-up of a nation.
•Democracy is incapable of enduring effort and responsibility because by design it inherently leads to an unending change in leadership over short period of time. A leader or party works to improve the nation with a specific plan, but only rules for a few years before being replaced by a new one with a new plan, who largely if not completely disregard the old one. Thus little is achieved and the nation is harmed.
•Democracy lacks authority since it does not give a leader the power he needs to accomplish his duties to the nation and turns him into a slave of his selfish political supporters.
•Democracy is manipulated by financiers and bankers, since most parties are dependent on their funding and are thus influenced by them.
•Democracy does not guarantee the election of virtuous leaders, since the majority of politicians are either demagogues or corrupt and the masses of common people usually are not capable or knowledgeable enough to elect good men.

2.) I believe the government should protect the people.
Fascist ideology's goal is to protect the people from degeneracy, greed, violence, and Marxist materialism, as for rights and personal liberties, much is tolerated, but first a man must ask himself this:
"Is what I'm doing harming my nation, people, or country? Is what I'm doing benefiting the collective whole of society? Would my benefactors approve of this?" If the answer is no to any one of those, it is probably not going to be allowed, and therefore, shouldn't even be allowed in the first place. Fascists believe that the government should instill national values and promote collective solidarity among it's population. As a result of the corrupt system we have now, we can see the bitter effects. Promotion of degenerate culture, (sex) self-harming substances, (drugs), alcohol abuse, inter-racial violence, and self-harm. In National Socialist Germany, the government fought against all these things, and even had massive programs created to fight against drugs and alcohol.

3.) Fascist ideology has worked in the past.
One key reason for this mass support of the people is due to the fact that National Socialism lifted the entire nation out of the worst
economic depressions known in history. This was accomplished primarily by breaking the stranglehold the Jews and the international banksters had on the German economy and the mass poverty, unemployment, and rampant violence and degeneracy. As we are now entering a new economic depression which will probably be much worse than the one in the 1930s, we can look to National Socialism to lift us out of it using the same principles as our National Socialist predecessors used so successfully! Adolf Hitler and National Socialism pulled Germany and
her people out of the depression by creating meaningful jobs for them. They also went the extra mile and made life a true joy for
their people! Hitler loved and cared deeply for the average person. One practical way to make the life of an average worker better was to put the
ownership of an automobile within their range. To do this Hitler and the National Socialists helped design the Peoples' Car or Volkswagen. He also arranged the "Joy through Unity" program, which was a mass leisure program for making the people happy and rewarding them for their effort towards forwarding the state. Since Hitler and the Nazi leaders were real leaders and not politicians the interests of the people really did come first! How different that is to our current sad situation with the serving cowardly politicians who make up the mainstream political parties around the world! Not only did National Socialism in Germany protect the average person from greedy politicians and swindlers, it also protected Nature, the environment and animals.

4.) I believe each race and culture is unique and should be preserved, as fascists actually did, instead of the blatant lie that they believed anyone with blonde hair and blue eyes are "superior."
National Socialism is a Nature and reason based political philosophy that Adolf Hitler created. It was first applied in Germany; however, it can be applied by anyone who believes in doing what is best for their own people. There are currently Japanese National Socialists and during WWII there were Arabs and other racial minorities who joined the ranks of the SS to do battle against the two headed monster of Communism/Capitalism. Never in Mein Kampf, any fundamental fascist text, or in any speeches or documents did Adolf Hitler or any nazi figure claim that whites were superior, nor did they ever claim other races should be exterminated.
National Socialism looks at things as they really are. For this reason National Socialists do not buy into the big lie that all people and races are equal and the same. Common sense tells us that there are obvious real physical differences and history shows us there are fundamental differences between the races that drive the White Race to be the most advanced and progress producing race on earth. For centuries people knew this simply by observation, before their natural thinking was distorted by revealed religion, governmental dictates, media manipulation and political opportunists. For example, though the Asians are generally highly intelligent, they do not have the spark for discovery and exploration that is unique to the Aryan (White)Race. This Aryan Spark has driven the White Race to explore and to always want to know what's on the other side of the mountain, what's across the ocean and even what's in outer space. Also, it's an historic fact that when the Whites did cross the Atlantic Ocean and discovered North America, the natives were living in the Stone Age with actual stone arrow heads and tomahawks and did not even have a written language. If all races are the same and equal in ability, why didn't the Chinese cross the oceans and why were the natives of North America living in the Stone Age? And why has it become taboo to openly speak of these racial realities? As science makes more progress we are learning the importance of DNA and genetics. DNA can be compared to the code that makes up computer programs. A minute difference in the code causes great differences in the end product of a computer program. The same is true with genetics and DNA. The relatively small differences between the genetic code of the different races makes a world of difference in the final product as can be seen in the appearance between a Black and a White, as just one example. As to the often believed falsehood that Hitler wanted Germany to take over the world, in his book Mein Kampf, Hitler said the White Race, not Germany, should and does rule the world. Of course, in our day and age, the White Race is in retreat around the globe and is in real danger of dying out. On a global scale, the White Race is a true racial minority and is shrinking in numbers every day.National Socialism is based on love of your people. It does not call for the murder of anyone who does not have blond hair and blue eyes. Hitler himself did not have blond hair. It would be odd for someone to start a political philosophy that called for their own death! There is no documentation; no speech, or interview which has ever said anything of the sort, and a quick look at Mein Kampf would say otherwise of the propaganda and lies we have been force-fed. Hitler did not believe the white race should be the only one, instead, he believed races should be separated so that they could flourish with their own kind, promoting their own interests and culture instead of destroying itself as we see in today's world, inter-racial violence has exploded around the world as a result of this, an example would be the genocide in Armenia or the violence in the Northeastern United States.

5.) The Holocaust did not happen.
If National Socialists had killed six million innocent Jews, then neither you nor anyone else should support National Socialism. However, there is much evidence that demonstrates the much told and believed but rarely questioned story of "the Holocaust" NEVER happened. You owe it to yourself to examine the claims made by proponents of the Holocaust to see if they are valid. If you find they are not valid, you owe it to yourself and to truth itself to reject those claims and to warn others of the lie. If the claims made by those who say the Holocaust really did happen prove to be true, then National Socialism should cease to exist and those who openly question the Holocaust should be openly debated to demonstrate the truth of the claims of those who say the Holocaust is an historical fact.
A major reason many people doubt the claims of the Holocaust is that 13 countries currently make it illegal to even question the claims of the Holocaust! If the Holocaust really happened, there would be no reason to make it illegal to question it. In fact, those who "knew" it really happened would welcome the chance to publicly debate those who deny it. This is not the case. Instead, those who promote the belief that the Holocaust did happen want to put those individuals who dare to openly disagree with them in prison! This is exactly what happened in the Inquisition. When Galileo said Copernicus was correct, the earth is not the center of the universe, the Church put him in prison for questioning the "facts" of scripture. Today, people are put in prison for questioning the "facts" of the Holocaust! Looking at just one claim made by those who promote the story of the Holocaust, let's look at statements made on the official Auschwitz Museum site. Auschwitz is said to have been the biggest "death camp" that the Nazis operated. At the official site of Auschwitz we are told that "340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces." If you do the math, that breaks down to a little more than 113 per oven per day or
almost five per hour. However, using coal or coke to cremate bodies as was used prior to the 1960s, it would take about four hours to cremate just one body. That means only six bodies could be cremated in one 24 hour period 6 per oven, not 113. Even with today's modern means of cremating bodies using natural gas or propane, it still takes about 2 hours to cremate just one body. The Holocaust just doesn't add up.
It has been said by even the Auschwitz Museum Director on tape that the Gas chambers were nothing more than Soviet fabrications; ordered by Joseph Stalin to demonize the Nazis, while the "showers" were, indeed showers, but used after heads were shaved to rid the inmates of lice, which was rampant at the time. The death toll at Auschwitz has, and continues to make a dramatic fall, after much evidence confirms that 2.5 million people did not die, the generally accepted statistic is still 12 million, regardless of number changes.
A wonderful example of a video that argues against these claims and many, many more can be reached by clicking on this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-dN98VfDk. There are also numerous sources and informational pages on the internet.
These lies by the Soviets only further our cause, and shows how deceitful these people can be, an example of these would be the Katyn Massacre, where 22,000 innocent Poles were killed by the Soviets in their invasion of Poland, and attempted to pin the blame on the Germans, these lies only try to demonize the Axis to defend their own atrocities and war crimes such as Napalm bombings of Japan, atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and bombing of innocent Germans in all of the Reich especially in cities such as Dresden.
These lies, coupled with mass repression of Holocaust revisionism just show something is up. The Leucher Report, a scientific document by American Execution Technician Fred A. Leuchter, confirms there was no presence of Zyklon B in the Auschwitz gas chambers, (a quick Google Search of the Leuchter Report will show much) but instead he, and his client were sent to prison for Holocaust denial, while the report was extremely repressed, never acknowledged, and hidden away and buried in secret.
When I was in seventh grade our class spent an entire week studying "the Holocaust". One of the things we were "taught" is that the Nazis were so barbaric that they used dead Jews to make soap. This was preached far and wide by the professional Holocaust "survivors". Now, however, we are told by Jews themselves that this never happened! If it wasn't for people openly questioning the Holocaust, which is currently a criminal offense in 13 countries, this lie would still be believed. What other lies are yet to be uncovered about the so-called "Holocaust"? Truth must be heard, even if it upsets the status quo. And if a prison sentence hangs over the heads of researchers and historians, how can we expect them to report the truth?
Since the topic of "the Holocaust" is so large, please visit www.ihr.org and http://www.zundelsite.org/ for more information.


You owe it to yourself to make your own decisions and try to see things from the other side.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
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Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

Well said

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

lengthy post im just gonna crop that out for you buddy <3

One of the things I like most about fascism is the economic system. It takes the best from both capitalism and socialism and combines them. It steps in to monitor new business coming up and deciding whether or not they can benefit the country, but it allows expansion and growth. It creates self - reliability but is also able to trade.

But yeah definitely well said sheba

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

1.) I believe Democracy is a flawed system that can never be fixed.
•Democracy destroys the unity of the people since it creates factionalism.
•Democracy turns millions of alien groups into citizens, thus carelessly destroying the ancient ethnic make-up of a nation.
•Democracy is incapable of enduring effort and responsibility because by design it inherently leads to an unending change in leadership over short period of time. A leader or party works to improve the nation with a specific plan, but only rules for a few years before being replaced by a new one with a new plan, who largely if not completely disregard the old one. Thus little is achieved and the nation is harmed.
•Democracy lacks authority since it does not give a leader the power he needs to accomplish his duties to the nation and turns him into a slave of his selfish political supporters.
•Democracy is manipulated by financiers and bankers, since most parties are dependent on their funding and are thus influenced by them.
•Democracy does not guarantee the election of virtuous leaders, since the majority of politicians are either demagogues or corrupt and the masses of common people usually are not capable or knowledgeable enough to elect good men.

Democracy is BULLSHIT

Fucking myths about Third Reich economy and Hitler Messiah of crisis...

Hitler made jobs?.... sure if you wanted to work for bread and potato. Do you wanna work for bread and potato?
Also most of percentage of uneployment lowered was with tricks and statistic bullshit.... like removing women from lists etc. making them employed as housewives
Lets not forget how much of their funds came from fucking pure THEFT of their own citizens ...Jews and others.
If there was no WW2 Germany would fucking collapse right back into crisis...

One can be a fascist or whatever ...but fuck Hitler and his nazi party.

Before I say anything, I'd like to mention:

I consider myself to be a social democrat. Since social democracy is aligned more with liberalism than with conservatism, I voted for liberalism.

Now, back to the arguments!

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

[...]
there are fundamental differences between the races that drive the White Race to be the most advanced and progress producing race on earth. For centuries people knew this simply by observation, before their natural thinking was distorted by revealed religion, governmental dictates, media manipulation and political opportunists. For example, though the Asians are generally highly intelligent, they do not have the spark for discovery and exploration that is unique to the Aryan (White)Race. This Aryan Spark has driven the White Race to explore and to always want to know what's on the other side of the mountain, what's across the ocean and even what's in outer space. Also, it's an historic fact that when the Whites did cross the Atlantic Ocean and discovered North America, the natives were living in the Stone Age with actual stone arrow heads and tomahawks and did not even have a written language. If all races are the same and equal in ability, why didn't the Chinese cross the oceans and why were the natives of North America living in the Stone Age? And why has it become taboo to openly speak of these racial realities?
[...]

As an East Asian, I feel compelled to defend the abilities of my ethnicity.

People think more-or-less the same way, in more-or-less the same situations. I assure you, because I have talked to, taken classes with, and argued bitterly with people from 50+ countries, that all this "fundemental differences between the races" doesn't actually exist in psychological terms or, if it does, is unnoticeable. Because we come from the same economic (we're all upper-middle class or outright rich), social (most of us are used to internationalist culture), and educational (most of us has received some form of American education) backgrounds, whatever genetic difference may have existed between the psychologies of the different ethnicity are just buried under this equality. In fact, I tend to find that personality (and academic performance) differences tend to correlate better with parenting than with genetic makeup.

So, since people from different ethnic backgrounds perform more-or-less equally well in the same situation, the reason why each ethnicity tends to have different social norms must be that those societies evolved in different circumstances.

Let's discuss first the lackluster performance (or so you claim) of the North American natives. This is not due to any shortcoming of the North American native mind. Rather, it has more to do with the local fauna. While the Middle East had an abundance of domesticable animals which soon spread to most of the Old World, North America had very few. Bisons are, simply put, a lot harder to train than an ox is. Note how the North American natives didn't have a single animal they could ride on until the horse was brought to North America by European settlers.

Next is the Asians, who supposedly lack the "spark for discovery and exploration." As stated above, this is untrue. Geographical realities dictated the difference between Europe and Asia. If you look on a map, Europe is split up into truly many bits. The Carpathians and the Alps first separate the North from the South, there are a multitude of peninsulas, and there isn't a single large piece of flat land to be found except for the North European plain, which wasn't even civilized until after the Roman Empire. This encouraged the development of many nations, in competition with each other. If any nation lost the "spark for discovery and exploration," it was immediately consumed (if there is any doubt about this, what happened to Poland-Lithuania?). No nation gained long-term dominance of the European Continent, and so natural selection kept the European nations advanced post-1400. Now compare this to China. The entirety of Southeastern China, an area today home to a billion people, is flat land. Nowhere else in Eastern Asia - indeed, nowhere else in the world except for perhaps the American Midwest - can such a big piece of undisturbed flat land habitable to a pre-technology civilization be found. This naturally encouraged the development of one superior nation - China - which dominated the region for most of history. This removed the element of competition from Asian history, stalling development.

As an example, a few centuries ago, the Ming aristocrats - jealous of competition for their power by naval merchants - ordered the navy sunk. Not much happened, because not having a navy doesn't seriously cripple China - it's still way stronger than everyone else. In Europe, however... if Sweden ordered its navy sunk in 1550, how well do you think they would've done afterwards?

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

1.) I believe Democracy is a flawed system that can never be fixed.
•Democracy destroys the unity of the people since it creates factionalism.

So does almost any other form of government. Korea 1900 was collapsing thanks to factionalism, and it wasn't democratic in the slightest. Sure, fascism doesn't have much in the way of factionalism, but if you consider "brutally repressing all opposition" a viable solution to national disunity, then what's wrong with you?

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy turns millions of alien groups into citizens, thus carelessly destroying the ancient ethnic make-up of a nation.

There is no "ancient ethnic make-up of a nation." If you're going by "ancient ethnic make-up", why don't you return Brandenburg State to the Slavic people to whom the province rightfully belongs?

Ridiculous.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy is incapable of enduring effort and responsibility because by design it inherently leads to an unending change in leadership over short period of time. A leader or party works to improve the nation with a specific plan, but only rules for a few years before being replaced by a new one with a new plan, who largely if not completely disregard the old one. Thus little is achieved and the nation is harmed.

Because there is an unending change in leadership over short periods of time, the leader is forced to consider the implications of his actions, as he will be accountable to the populace in the next election. Power does not accumulate in a fully democratic society. In fact, the democratic political system is designed with the purpose of creating political gridlocks, so that one person can't push anything through alone.

Sounds good to me. A little sacrifice in efficiency is a small price to pay for the accountability of the leadership.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy lacks authority since it does not give a leader the power he needs to accomplish his duties to the nation and turns him into a slave of his selfish political supporters.

Again, a democratic political system is designed with the purpose of being inefficient. One person (or a small minority) should not and cannot force through whatever they please.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy is manipulated by financiers and bankers, since most parties are dependent on their funding and are thus influenced by them.

I would like to present Jón Gnarr, former Mayor of Reykjavik, as a counter-example. In fact, Jón Gnarr represents the reason why we have democracies in the first place. If the people don't like the guys in charge now, they're free to dismiss the current leadership and elect a new one.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy does not guarantee the election of virtuous leaders, since the majority of politicians are either demagogues or corrupt and the masses of common people usually are not capable or knowledgeable enough to elect good men.

Regardless of how good they are at making decisions, everyone has to have the right to participate in making decisions that affects their own future. To suggest otherwise is autocracy - which, by the way, has a worse (much worse) historical record compared to democracies in terms of guaranteeing essential rights to the people.

Escrito por Croat, 07.10.2015 at 04:55

Democracy is BULLSHIT

No, it isn't.

Escrito por Goblin, 07.10.2015 at 05:22

-snip-

As far as I care, fascism and NSDAP are two of the same thing.

The modern State, I feel, should be based on the humanist principles to which civilization is dedicated.

Escrito por Goblin, 07.10.2015 at 05:22

Fucking myths about Third Reich economy and Hitler Messiah of crisis...

Hitler made jobs?.... sure if you wanted to work for bread and potato. Do you wanna work for bread and potato?
Also most of percentage of uneployment lowered was with tricks and statistic bullshit.... like removing women from lists etc. making them employed as housewives lmao
Lets not forget how much of their funds came from fucking pure THEFT of their own citizens ...Jews and others.
If there was no WW2 Germany would fucking collapse right back into crisis...

One can be a fascist or whatever ...but fuck Hitler and his nazi party.

Bane make anti-nazi comment... can't.. upvote him... must reply... negatively...







National Socialism is best form. USSR prospered because of it in the 30's.

Poor musclebeard already brainwashed by reich nazis, another poor soul lost.

Holocaust didn't happen? So that mean Nazi Germans didn't kill 6 million Jews and Nazi Croatians didn't kill 1 million Serbs? Right, they died in working camps due to sickness, but they were paid, just cancer killed them, no cure.

You disgust me. My people gave 27 million lives, i lost 80% of my family and relatives in WWII, they starved in cold, fought when tired so you and whole world can have freedom today and you throw all that away and support criminal ideology which whole world ban.

Nazi Germany was 70 years ago what is today ISIS. Ende.

Escrito por International, 07.10.2015 at 06:02

Escrito por Goblin, 07.10.2015 at 05:22

-snip-

As far as I care, fascism and NSDAP are two of the same thing.

Completely different things, national socialism and fascism is different. Also NSDAP was for the german people while fascism can be for anyone.

Escrito por International, 07.10.2015 at 05:46

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

•Democracy turns millions of alien groups into citizens, thus carelessly destroying the ancient ethnic make-up of a nation.

There is no "ancient ethnic make-up of a nation." If you're going by "ancient ethnic make-up", why don't you return Brandenburg State to the Slavic people to whom the province rightfully belongs?

Ridiculous.

Escrito por For Antioch, 08.10.2015 at 01:25

Escrito por Viruslegion, 06.10.2015 at 21:07

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

Well said

Half the post is talking about how the Holocaust never happened, and your response is "Well said"?

Well, I didn't agree with everything there but some parts were well said

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

I'm none of the above, I'm a fascist, and in this post, I will explain why.

how about i give you one single reason, not to be a fascist. How about the very fact that you are allowed to write about politics in the internet, is a privilege offered to you by your liberal democratic government. Under a fascist government, most if not all the internet would be off limits to you and political talks outlawed.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

1.) I believe Democracy is a flawed system that can never be fixed.

Democracy is indeed a flawed system and is not even achieved fully in our days. But remember democracy is not something you enforce one day on the population, like fascism. Democracy is a slow evolutionary process, it requires people with intelligence, integrity and foresight to thrive and is subject to many outside factors that maim and sabotage its development and progress. Unfortunately due to our capitalist system, the 1% have succesfully halted this progress and are able to abuse the system, making it closer to oligarchy.

Still, it is the closest to democracy we have and the alternatives are trully horrible and/or utopian fairytales. Taking all the negatives aside, which exist, we are left with alot more positives.

If i were to be asked, in the end what do i want out of my form of government, my reply would be freedom, hapiness and prosperity. And democracy, while flawed, is guaranteed the only system ever created, to provide those for me.

There is a direct correlation between democracy, freedom, hapiness and economic prosperity.







The more democratic a country seems to be, the more freedoms its citizens enjoy, the more happy and satisfied with their life they seem to be and the more income they seem to have.

More in depth analysis on the following links. Keep in mind the freedom analysis is a ridiculously complicated one. USA contrary to popular belief, is NOT as free as they claim to be. They rank 20 and they would be even lower if they didnt directly and indirectly play with their numbers. That is a direct result of conservative policies, in contrast with the more liberal policies of Northwestern Europe, Canada and etc

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/human-freedom-index-2015.pdf
http://unsdsn.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/WorldHappinessReport2013_online.pdf
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr14-report-en-1.pdf

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

2.) I believe the government should protect the people.

I fail to see how the denial of every single political and social liberty to a states citizen, can be interpreted as protection. Scientifically and philosophically this is absurd. Humans as proven, historically and scientifically, are prone to corruption, abuse of power, mental illness and even, simple change of mind and/or incompetence. Stripping the citizen of every responsibility, every liberty and freedom and any rights and giving complete and total power to a dictator and his elite, seems illogical, counter intuitive, selfdestructive and against human species natural instict of survival, the very least.

How can the citizen of a nation, be protected when the fascist state, denies him basic concepts and rights like

- RULE OF LAW : How can a citizen experience security, safety and stability in his own nation, when there are no laws, clear and applicable to all, to protect him. When he has no individual rights as a citizen and is not protected by a constitution and a legal system. The police are given virtually unlimited power to enforce supposed laws overlooking basic civil liberties in the name of patriotism and the greatness of the state. The government has total authority and is not subject to laws, it can steal a persons property and assets without question and beat, torture, imprison, kill an individual without any justification or legal procedure.

The rights to life and safety are not protected by the fascist state and since physical security and safety is NOT guaranteed, NO other freedom can be safely exercised. The citizen is virtualy a slave.


-freedom of expression/speech/thought: Under a fascist state all forms of media are controlled by the government. Meaning radio, tv, newspapers and the internet are censored and/or banned. No more atwar for you, obviously, because you would be prone to propaganda by foreign enemies of the state. No more wikipedia and youtube and so on.

Journalist/writer/reporter torture, killing and imprisonment is a foundational part of every fascist society, until every form of media is controlled and international/foreign information in all forms is forbidden. You basically are cut off from the world, living in a state-prison.

Education is also controlled and censored. Fascist states show open hostility to higher education, and academia, sinking the intellectual level of the nation. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be arrested and sometimes murdered. All forms of art are also censored and controlled by the state, meaning forget music and movies from the Usa, your entertainment would be watching boring plays praising the state and listening to classical or folk music.

Even basic rights of self determination and expression will be denied, like your physical appearance. You wont be able to dress the way you like, you will be forced to have short hair, no piercings and tatoos and so on.


-political freedom : Obviously, no parliament, no elections, no political organizations and parties. Everyone the state deems as a political opponent is imprisoned and/or executed.


-freedom of religion : not only individuals are not allowed to practice their religion, but religion and government are Intertwined. the dominant religious system in a fascist state dictates cultural norms and traditions. Punishment for abstaining from church practices or disobeying its rules are imprisonment, torture and death. Examples are abortions, divorce, homosexuality. Needless to say, that in the 21st century a nation who implements laws based on religious dogma and contrary to the scientific, medical and psychology consensus is a big step backwards.

-freedom of assembly/association : you are denied of the freedom to associate and assemble with peaceful individuals or organizations of your choice and to form or join organizations for political, commercial, educational, even entertainment ends. Worker unions are also abolished, a worker is subjugated to work every day under the conditions and wage that are forced upon him and if he protests in any way he is imprisoned.

- Relationships : Under a fascist state, sex is demonised. Casual sexual encounters are undesirable, Projection and promotion of any sexual acts or forms of sexuality in the media are censored and punishable. Homosexuality, bisexuality and every sexual practise and fetish, outside of the sphere of "normality" is considered "degeneracy" and is punishable by imprisonment, torture and death. Divorce and abortion are other foundational civil rights denied in a fascist society.

All these not only show blatant historical illiteracy, not only are unethical, illogical and immoral but they also show complete scientific ignorance.


- Economic freedom/equality : Fascism has always protected the establishment.They favour corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and separate social classes was beneficial.As we know fascism is guided by the principles of social darwinism, meaning the strongest rule over the weakest. In economic practice this meant protecting the interests of successful businessmen while they destroy trade unions and other organizations of the working class and make it impossible for an individual to enter the business sector, unless he was favoured by the state.

Encyclopedia Italiana wrote that fascism ultimately is a productive and beneficial inequality of men.

Fascism has never been antisystemic and pro-worker. It always pursuit private profit and favoured the big corporations. Remember all the big corporations that supported Nazis and how the triad of the devil, Shell, Texaco and Exxon collaborated with the Nazis.
In this day, still, big corporations support National socialist parties all around the globe, same in Greece, where the shiping elite multibillioners are funding G.D.

In the end fascists only aspire to destroy the current corporate elite, to place themself and their elite on power. Its a loose-loose situation for the worker and the middle class and they are disillusioned to think that surrendering all their freedoms to get rid of the jewish banker tyranny, will make their life better.



"He who seeks freedom for anything but freedom's self is made to be a slave,"
Alexis de Tocqueville 1856

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

3.) Fascist ideology has worked in the past.

Every fascist government in history was short lived and followed by either war or revolution.

Escrito por Sheba, 06.10.2015 at 20:34

5.) The Holocaust did not happen.

Im not convinced it didnt happen at all. But i am convinced 150% it DID NOT happen the way Western media portrey and that the numbers are exagerated. Im with you on this one. I dont have to be a fascist to be a skeptic and do my own research. The fact alone, that it is against the LAW to even conduct research on the matter of the holocaust is BLATANT evidence of the misinformation and corruption that surrounds the subject. That being said i read a wonderfull debate once, in an unbiased skeptic site, i didnt read it all because it got down to very technical and complicated details and frankly i didnt care that much to read it all, but the result was that the holocaust did happen, albeit very different than they claim to. Seemed very futile to hang on the matter, since acquisition of more evidence and data is impossible. If i fmanage to find the link, i will post it.

That being said, being a leftie liberal myself and an ex-political and social anarchist activist, provided me with some needed "credentials" and the "freedom" to be open about my opinion on the subject and other subjects that revolve around Jews, without being slandered and dismissed as a "fascist" or a "nazi". Indeed though, every time i critisize Judaism, Israel or Jews in general, weather it is in real life or on the internet, i am rejected, censored and labeled as an "anti-semite", ignoring my arguments and evidence. I believe the very existence of the term, is a brilliant and cunning tactic by Jews to deny any credibility to unbiased and unprejudiced people, to exert critisism on Jew history, culture and their recent actions in the 21st century.

I had my comments on quora.com, a site i hugely respect and support, on topics like Jews and feminism, consistently deleted, downvoted and my profile was reported so many times, i had to delete and make a new one. I am a thinker and a sceptic and i wanted to debate Jews and women ( my account almost got banned after one of my perfectly constructed comments in a female feminism thread, no single female ever debated me, instead they deleted my comments and mass reported me lol) on various subjects in which they wrongfully victimised themselfs and it seems i was not allowed. So much for free speech.

Everyone can critisize it seems, everyone, except the Jews. We can talk freely and judge ancient Greek and Roman wrongdoings but alas we cannot talk about how bloodthirsty and barbarian Jews have been in ancient times, because "anti-semites". We can talk about how christianity is hypocritical and waged wars or how islam is a religion of blood, but god forbid, we can never talk about the most evil, bloody, backwarded, plain ridiculous religion EVER created, which is Judaism and the crimes it promoted throughout history. We can talk about how bloodthirsty Hitler and Stalin was, but no, we can never talk about how Jews waged economic and political war from the inside and how they incited every single communist revolution all around Europe and Russia. We can watch on our news critique about Russia, China, Middle East, Greece, even USA but no, never Israel. That would be anti-semite. The whole world seems to be anti-gentile and nobody seems to have a clue.

I like to judge people and nations, with evidence and through communication and constructive critisism. Its what i do. I judge myself, my country and my beliefs as well. A practice my liberal democratic system allows me to have btw. I would NOT be able to exercise it under a fascist state.

Anyway, no, i can not judge the Jews. It is not allowed. I do not possess that right apparently. Sounds like fascism alright.

Certainly though, openly supporting Nazis, is not helping your cause to get your message across. I read an article a charismatic national socialist wrote in his blog, that called his brothers to stop openly supporting Nazi Germany and the Confederate States, as they were doing more harm than good to their cause and using them as arguments was a sure way to loose before they even got started and for no one to take them seriously.

Anyway i will close the chapter on Jews with the following.

*How many people know about muslim violent attack on journalists of Charlie Hebdo, because of their supposed "muslim satire"? Did the international press condemned the action?
-EVERYONE / YES

*How many people know about the journalist of Charlie Hebdo who got fired and is on trial, because of his supposed and very light "anti-semite satire" Did the international press condemned the action?
-NOONE / NO

Such irony. Much hypocrisy. Very double standards.

Whats the point of a total capitalism slowly turning into a corrupt oligarchy like the us?

Nazi/fascist states:

1. Nazi Germany 1933-1945 (failed)
2. Fascist Italy 1922-1944 (failed)
3. Franco's Spain 1936-1980 (failed)
4. Fascist Hungary 1940-1944 (failed)
5. Fascist Romania 1940-1944 (failed)
6. Nazi Croatia 1941-1945 (failed)
7. Fascist Bulgaria 1940-1944 (failed)
8. Fascist Albania 1940-1945 (failed)



Communist/socialist states:

1. USSR 1922-1991 (failed)
2. Yugoslavia 1946-1992 (failed)
3. East Germany 1950-1990 (failed)
4. Czechoslovakia 1948-1990 (failed)
5. Romania 1944-1989 (failed)
6. Poland 1945-1990 (failed)
7. Hungary 1945-1990 (failed)
8. Bulgaria 1944-1990 (failed)
9. Cambodia 1975-1990 (failed)
10. China 1949- (success)
11. Vietnam 1975- (success)
12. North Korea 1945- (success)
13. Cuba 1960- (success)


Commies have 4 states alive, Nazis 0, therefore 4:0 for Reds. gg want re?

Escrito por Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:25

Whats the point of a total capitalism slowly turning into a corrupt oligarchy like the us?

lack of a viable alternative, obviously?

Also fighting for more liberal and socialist policies to marry with capitalism, so at least some equality and some protection for basic rights is guaranteed. Only the state can succesfully put a stop in corporation greed by implementing policies to protect the enviroment and the middle/low class. Only the state can succesfully fund research and development in science and energy, without the direct incentive for profit, but instead the good of humanity as a whole (eg enviromental research, energy, space exploration) That is the only realistic road forward for the time being. But even with that clearly out in the open, we have traitors and complete illiterate ignorants pushing for unregulated capitalism and less government spending in wellfare, education, healthcare, research and technology while sustaining the defense budget thats in the trillions and the rights of the big corporations, weapon manufactorers and bankers.

Kind of an uphill battle.

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 15:35

lack of a viable alternative, obviously?

Also fighting for more liberal and socialist policies to marry with capitalism, so at least some equality and some protection for basic rights is guaranteed. That is the only realistic road forward for the time being. But even then we have traitors and complete illiterate ignorants, like conservatives, defending the rights of the big corporations, so kind of an uphill battle.

I have 2 alternatives, both need more testing and time:

Putinism - mixing capitalism and socialism (not communism). Allowing nationalism, but not promoting it. Allowing political parties, but trying to get all people join one centre party where natinalists, communists, democrats, anarchists can debate and decide policy (read wiki article 'big tent' for more info). Mixed economy, allow free market, allow corporations but government also do business by buying assets and shares on stockmarket thus making profit and not relying solely on tax revenue. It's kinda mixed system of Norway and China.

Resource-based economy - https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 15:35

Escrito por Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:25

Whats the point of a total capitalism slowly turning into a corrupt oligarchy like the us?

lack of alternative, obviously?

well, the alternative is to stop lobbying and stopping corporations from having too much power, bringing corrupted politicians behind bars.

the US already has turned into a corporate state where most of the 2 biggest parties is entirely controlled by companies, because they are funded by companies.
i'm not greek, but i belive that if a politician or party accepts ANY gift, money or support from companies, he should be arrested, we the people need to take back power, we the people cant let corporations control entire states, we the people, we who are supposed to BE THE STATE can not let the top 10 or top 1% have 90% of the power.

i'm just saying, in america, the school system privatized, prisons are privatized, hospitals are privatized, EVEN THE MILITARY is privatized, wich clearly is giving too much power in hands that it does not belong in.

despite this, i'm not a communist, i really like the efficient free market, but we need to do what theodor roosevelt senior did, take the lead on nations from plutocrates and give it back to the people. They can keep their money.

by the way, dont ignore all this just because we are superior europeans, we're about to turn into the same terrible system, and lets be honest, greece is even more corrupt

Escrito por Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:47

well, the alternative is to stop lobbying and stopping corporations from having too much power, bringing corrupted politicians behind bars.

the US already has turned into a corporate state where most of the 2 biggest parties is entirely controlled by companies, because they are funded by companies.
i'm not greek, but i belive that if a politician or party accepts ANY gift, money or support from companies, he should be arrested, we the people need to take back power, we the people cant let corporations control entire states, we the people, we who are supposed to BE THE STATE can not let the top 10 or top 1% have 90% of the power.

i'm just saying, in america, the school system privatized, prisons are privatized, hospitals are privatized, EVEN THE MILITARY is privatized, wich clearly is giving too much power in hands that it does not belong in.

despite this, i'm not a communist, i really like the efficient free market, but we need to do what theodor roosevelt senior did, take the lead on nations from plutocrates and give it back to the people. They can keep their money.

by the way, dont ignore all this just because we are superior europeans, we're about to turn into the same terrible system, and lets be honest, greece is even more corrupt

Greece is an irrelevant state controlled by Eu, which is controlled by USA. Everything is interconnected unfortunately. I very much agree with you, but realistically and practically, as long as corporations can fund political parties, nothing can be done. The least we can do, is push for more policies that decrease the ever growing inequality between rich and poor and try to pressure the government into being involved actively. But if even the middle and the low class vote conservative, knowingly supporting big corporations, you realise the whole thing is a joke.

Escrito por Khal.eesi, 08.10.2015 at 16:05

Greece is an irrelevant state controlled by Eu, which is controlled by USA. Everything is interconnected unfortunately. I very much agree with you, but realistically and practically, as long as corporations can fund political parties, nothing can be done. The least we can do, is push for more policies that decrease the ever growing inequality between rich and poor and try to pressure the government into being involved actively. But if even the middle and the low class vote conservative, knowingly supporting big corporations, you realise the whole thing is a joke.

yea

Escrito por Tirpitz406, 08.10.2015 at 15:47

but i belive that if a politician or party accepts ANY gift, money or support from companies, he should be arrested, we the people need to take back power, we the people cant let corporations control entire states, we the people, we who are supposed to BE THE STATE can not let the top 10 or top 1% have 90% of the power.

should be illegal for corporations to give money to parties, or you at least have to have some system that makes up for these funds like labour unions

there is no impossible there just are resistances that we have to overcome. you dont have to change the world immediately to make a difference. protest, stand up for your right to control the state, so the state doesnt control you. democracy means government by the people, not governement by any corporations, foreign countries or anyone else than, in your case, the decendants of athenians, the inventors of democracy, debates, rethoric and philosophy. you, us, the people who live in this world, not the corporations that profit from it.

our generation is lazy when it comes to politics, i dont know why i'm even trying to change it, but it seems like somebody has to try. maybe its possible to convince some people to go vote for somebody who represents their best intrests instead of some company's way to make more money...