More units than city's production on turn 2?

Hi guys,
What am I missing in the following situation:

I start a casual game by myself (i'm the only one joining in turn 0). I pick Morocco.
During turn 1 (during which I don't reinforce), someone joins and picks Portugal.
During turn 2, out of Portugal which produces 2 units, he manages to attack Rabat with 1 transport, 6 destroyers, and 1 Inf (different than his 2 starting Inf that are still visible on the map).

How in the hell can a player produce 8 units from a country that has only 2 of production? I know we get extra reinforcements when we join late, but ... I never thought turn 1 was considered late. Is that the reason why???

Escrito por Noir Brillant, 22.01.2016 at 15:13

The game balances production at the start, so when someone joins with a small country when someone else has a large country they will get extra reinforcements to compensate. I've started with 10 reinforcements from Portugal before in a 5k game because there were other players like Greece and Ukraine in the game, which caused the game to boost my original units. This system is the same one that works for latejoining as well, people don't get extra units when they join late, they get extra because the in game players have such high production.

Me and my friend tested this out.
We recreated what you described, and it is perfectly possible to do what he did.

Any more explanation needed?

EDIT**** Yes like Ends of Invention said as well.

Escrito por EndsOfInvention, 22.01.2016 at 15:21

Escrito por Noir Brillant, 22.01.2016 at 15:13

The game balances production at the start, so when someone joins with a small country when someone else has a large country they will get extra reinforcements to compensate. I've started with 10 reinforcements from Portugal before in a 5k game because there were other players like Greece and Ukraine in the game, which caused the game to boost my original units. This system is the same one that works for latejoining as well, people don't get extra units when they join late, they get extra because the in game players have such high production.

That makes a lot of sense (the system adds reinforcements based on other players' production, and not based on the turn the game is at). Thank you for taking the time to answer

Escrito por Zenith, 22.01.2016 at 15:26

Thanks for researching! I won't make the same mistake next time (just filled my capital with a few militias)!!

Escrito por Noir Brillant, 22.01.2016 at 18:11

the system adds reinforcements based on other players' production, and not based on the turn the game is at

Remove "not".
It is based on both things. Obviously, the later you join, the more reinf you will get.

Escrito por RaulPB, 23.01.2016 at 12:06

Remove "not".
It is based on both things. Obviously, the later you join, the more reinf you will get.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the turn joined doesn't matter. You always get more units when latejoining because of the same balancing system that works at the start. Because players control continents and can produce loads, the game gives latejoiners massive amounts of reinforcements.

Escrito por EndsOfInvention, 23.01.2016 at 12:13

Actually, I'm pretty sure the turn joined doesn't matter. You always get more units when latejoining because of the same balancing system that works at the start. Because players control continents and can produce loads, the game gives latejoiners massive amounts of reinforcements.

Try it yourself if you want. It's not the same joining in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 50th turn. Both facts influence the ammount of reinforcements recieved. At least that's what experience has showed me XD

Escrito por RaulPB, 23.01.2016 at 12:28

Escrito por EndsOfInvention, 23.01.2016 at 12:13

Actually, I'm pretty sure the turn joined doesn't matter. You always get more units when latejoining because of the same balancing system that works at the start. Because players control continents and can produce loads, the game gives latejoiners massive amounts of reinforcements.

Try it yourself if you want. It's not the same joining in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 50th turn. Both facts influence the ammount of reinforcements recieved. At least that's what experience has showed me XD

Thanks for the precision

Escrito por RaulPB, 23.01.2016 at 12:28

Testing done. With the Spain vs morocco situation discussed above, the results are as follows.





On turn 49 the number increaced to 8, but this is because morocco's available units had also increaced (to 15 from 10 originally) so this was just the game compensating for the reinforcements available.


Please don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

Escrito por EndsOfInvention, 23.01.2016 at 17:16

Please don't think I don't know what I'm talking about.

Never said that, in fact this is what I actually said:

Escrito por RaulPB, 23.01.2016 at 12:28

At least that's what experience has showed me XD

Was talking by my experience, nothing else. Never thought you didn't know and would never say nor think such thing therefor I have no problem in admiting you were right
Reconciliation hug?

From m'y expérience thé amount of reinf u get is calculated like this: add all thé standard reinf of all players, divide by number of player. Round that number up if it s not à round one. This is thé min reinf any player will get. If u have more "natural" reinf than that u keep original figure
Ex 3 players in 5k no extras Poland Ireland and belgium. Poland gets 8 as usual belgium and Ireland get 8 + 3+33=4.66 rounded to 5.

This is extremely important to know when picking 2nd in à duel for ex. As belgium vs Poland with xtras u get 7reinf but vs serbia u get only 5, makes à big différence for rushing Paris T1...

Escrito por Kraigg, 30.01.2016 at 02:30

From m'y expérience thé amount of reinf u get is calculated like this: add all thé standard reinf of all players, divide by number of player. Round that number up if it s not à round one. This is thé min reinf any player will get. If u have more "natural" reinf than that u keep original figure
Ex 3 players in 5k no extras Poland Ireland and belgium. Poland gets 8 as usual belgium and Ireland get 8 + 3+33=4.66 rounded to 5.

This is extremely important to know when picking 2nd in à duel for ex. As belgium vs Poland with xtras u get 7reinf but vs serbia u get only 5, makes à big différence for rushing Paris T1...

Wow, that IS very useful. Thanks for sharing.