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We double the SP and it does nothing to boost activity. Keep adding rewards it won't help. I'll say it again:

ADVERTISE THIS FUCKING SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. NOBODY JOINS THE COMPETITIVE SCENE BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT UNLESS A MEMBER INFORMS THEM OF IT. WE ARE NOT THE ILLUMINATI.

Seriously, add it in the tutorIal or something. Put it on the home page. Automatically send a member a PM about it when they first join. Those things will boost the competitive scene.

Escrito por Goblin, 28.05.2015 at 18:27

I think it would be fun if we had something like AW facebook

You and Croat just want to show off croatian goats and croatian villages.

mods plz don't ban is all in good fun.

A couple of things:

1.) Your opponent was a rank 7 with not a whole lot of 3v3s in history.

2.) He doesn't even know how to cross hidden passageways as said in your SS.

3.) A more experienced player would decimate a lot of your inital troops and even take some of the countries you had by turn 5.

Getting that many troops into berlin is the easy part. Retaining the countries needed to do it by turn 5 is the tricky part.

Escrito por Croat, 28.05.2015 at 03:31

Where your little dick doesnt belong

Does that mean only big dicks belong in this thread? Makes sense considering those who have posted here so far.

Escrito por Croat, 28.05.2015 at 03:31

Where your little dick doesnt belong

Does that mean only big dicks belong in this thread? Makes sense considering those who have posted here so far.

Escrito por Helly, 25.05.2015 at 18:25

I don't have to justify anything to you, news flash the map is fun engaging and works in clan wars just cause you can't play it the same way you woukd in typical 3v3 does not make it worse then it, lol you really make me laugh, let me simplify what yoy said about Germany. You ruined map because you can't stack hamburg to kill UK in a turn. Typical your incapable of anything but repetitive tactics, that you just memorized. Please stop posting if you don't like it don't play, this is for those who wish to give ideas to help the map, not just attack it's creator.

You posted a map. I criticized it. You are now crying saying I "attacked you"

Seems legit.

Escrito por Helly, 25.05.2015 at 11:52

Sweden, poland, italy, yugo are all viable west fighters, the map does a better job of blending combat making it so one op east player can't win the whole damn game alone, poland is no longer a ds or gw country correct, it's the German equivalent of normal 3v3 but alot cheaper, As for east it's changed alot , the typical 3v3 expansion for ukraine is obselete, all of russia is richer with me cities but only rc has infs, you might not be able to get every country like you can in normal 3v3 but full rc and rs is the same equivalent of power, same with turkey it has 5 less reins and a infantry yugo making it much harder to get exactly the same thing as normal 3v3 turkey. I calculated every change I made I truly did, because I wanted to make something new but fimiliare enough it would not scare you guys away. Why don't you do me a favor and put our fued to the side and just test map for yourself before you make an assumption just from a forum post that does not show the new Scandinavia or middle east/egypt.

lol. I almost took your post seriously until you said "our fued" as if the only reason I would critical of your map was because I have some "vendetta" against you or something. Sorry helly I just don't care enough for there to be a "fued" between us.

I am not making assumptions. My comments were based solely on what is shown in the photo. Everything I said was in relation to the geographic locations of cities and addition of cities shown in the SS.

And you did not actually think everything through. You try to justify the change to poland and Germany but it simply doesn't work. Poland would need to be nc just to reach UK in one turn. This means that poland needs to chain ports to get a significant amount of troops to attack UK. But the poland pick is worthless anyways if UK/Ukraine are on the same team. Really I don't understand the point of your post. You're basically just saying "I made everything harder to get for east" but you can't/didn't justify why that makes this map better than the normal. Different =/= better or more competitive.

But did you actually think through every change you made? Germany has been eliminated as a geographic starting country forcing somebody to go Italy because a UK/Spain or a UK/France 2v1 would be OP.

Ukraine has more cities and reinforcements which will make the inital cost more expensive. You added more cities to RC which will mean more infantry to kill in order to obtain country bonus which is critical to Ukraine's income.

No more Poland pick because inital cost would be to high. Can't spam GW marines or DS helis. Also fucks up Ukraine's expansion because the units are most likely infantry now.

Taking away one of Italy's upper cities is also damaging to Italy's attack power over France. 8 inf lost by turn 4 and 4 more inf every 4 turns after that could attack paris.

Where Serbia was now probably has inf in it. Which will limit Turk's expansion.

Changing the borders and cities won't help in the long run. People will just adjust. Starting from scratch will a map with all new geographical locations of cities and countries will be the best new competitive map in the long run. But then again, lets think about Chess. Same board, same pieces, lots of similar opening moves. Yet it still has not changed.

Escrito por Meester, 18.05.2015 at 07:01

We intend to release an official version of this real soon until then feel free to discuss. Some of the things here have slight errors though. For example we can be muted but we can simply unmute ourselves.

A mod can't unban themselves if they get banned right? And a mod doesn't have power to ban an admin, right?

Escrito por Skanderbeg, 15.05.2015 at 06:09

Balkan is not safe... when it is about human life you have to be realistic. I dont see tourism blossoming on balkan except Greece. He can go with plane, but plane will have hard time manouvering in Croatia airspace.

Yeah, isn't the competition for tourism really high for the balkans? Cause can't you see the goats and mountains and villages and get aids and shit in every balkan state?

Hi, here I will offer the solution to our problems.

FIXING THE ELO DUELING SYSTEM:

1.) A player can duel another player up to 3 times per 24 hours.

2.) No private duels (although an option should be added to mute all spectators

Reasons: People can farm easily when they can duel each other with no limit. Three games provides a best 2 out of 3. Private duels are where farmings happen.

FIXING CW SYSTEM

1.) We keep elo system but we move the games to regular lobby. This will not be the true indicator of best clan

2.) We implement a bracket system. Best of three moves a clan up to next bracket.

3.) We double the seasons so we can play 8 tourny clan brackets a year.

Escrito por Google, 11.05.2015 at 13:29

Until admins come out and specifically say this is right or wrong, i don't think that rules prohibit or accept this.

I swear, sometimes I wonder if most of the people that play this game log on through a computer in a fucking retard camp.

The admins implemented the ELO SYSTEM. This is not their own creation. They are using a system created by somebody else.This is the system -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

Therefore, we follow the rules of the elo system. Nowhere does it state that gambling elo is allowed. It clearly states how a player wins/loses elo. Want to know if gambling elo is an appopriate method to win elo? Go ahead and contact the USCF (people that came up with the system) directly and let me know what they say.

For whatever reason, you picked the wrong side of the debate and now you're trying to justify your stance and you're only looking like a retard in the process. Swallow your pride and back down.

Gambling is not how you win elo with this system. Period. End of story.

Escrito por Google, 11.05.2015 at 09:16

wasn't farming, It was gambling. I think it adds another flavor to dueling. To punish the 'offenders' in this case would be wrong, see it wasn't farming, but mere betting.

Hi, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

That is how the system works. It has been used for over 75 years now and it is still logically sound. The fact that some moron feels it is "unfair" is ignorant considering this system was developed by hardcore mathematicians and justified by statisticians over the decades.

"Gambling" is misusing the system, therefore anybody who gains elo through it should be punished because they are not using the system correctly.

Don't even bother with a "it adds flavor" you would have thought that over the years, if this system does need updating, it would have been updated by now.

The system is the way it is. Don't like it? Propose a new system. Don't cheat it.

Escrito por Guest, 11.05.2015 at 06:55

bla just read previous posts, and stop quoting me for only insults

I didn't quote you only to insult you. The elo system works a specific way; you are not using it the way it is intended to be used. There is no gambling involved.

Regardless of how you feel about the fairness of the system, the system is the way it is. If you really feel it is unfair, propose a new system and if it is a good system it will be implemented.

You cannot cheat the system because you feel it is unfair. The rest of atwar considers it a fair system and they play by the rules. You are not above anybody else. You have to play by the same rules as everybody else. If not, you should be disqualified.

Escrito por Guest, 10.05.2015 at 14:20

tell me why is it unfair for me to get 25 elo from 10 games,
and fair to another players to get 25 elo from me via 1 game ?

Because you're a confirmed retard who doesn't know how an elo system works.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

And since you're a baby about it, you've set out to ruin the entire thing for those who accept the terms of the elo system. If you have an issue about it, suggest a new system. Just dont ruin it for everybody else.

There is a trick to #2. When the thingy pops up all you have to do is click on the mini map where the zoom in and zoom out buttons are and you will navigate to that portion of the map. I believe you can also click on the players tab and from there you can see his unit count.

I'll repeat something I said on the last page that only Desu aknowledged...

Whatever system we end up with won't mean shit if it's not advertised. Unless there is a note (preferably on something like the tutorial and/or lobby) that states "hey earn 2x the SP by CWing!" no low rank will ever know about it or use it and we'd just be going around in circles.

Escrito por Croat, 05.05.2015 at 09:13

We should open forum for dumbest things ever said on AW.
Should be funny

Attention whore. All you want is a thread for you and all your postings.

Better yet how about a countdown timer? The hours of transition are very confusing with the different time zones and such. Having a set amound of time until the season ends would be great.

The 2x SP was meant to increase activity for the competitive scene.

What happened was a bunch of scenario players and others who were already high ranks decided to start playing 3v3s and CWs because they were bored of scenarios. The majority of new players aren't low ranks or of a younger generation.

The 2x SP multiplier hasn't attracted low ranks. Who the fuck knows about it besides us? Is it advertised on the front page? Is there a little note in game with an arrow pointed to the CW lobby that says "Earn 2x the SP by playing a CW!"

Nope.

No low rank or new player will ever know about the 2x sp. All it is is a benefit to those already playing as it is increasing their ranks rapidly.

Sorry Sun, i'll reply to your posts now. Was on mobile before so hard to reply to multiple of your comments.

My first point said "little to no cost in losing" meaning there is some cost but it is very minimal. You may need 5 games to make it up but you and MK make up the minority of those with this problem. Many other clans will only lose 3-11 elo and can win that back very easily with just 1-2 games.

The previous system did not include as many players as we do now. This is a growing community so it's natural that our population got bigger. A bunch of players didn't just say "wow the CW system changed so now I can go and become a 3v3 player like I always wanted to." The system also changed over time. First it was ten games. Then it was 20 and I believe at this point you could play as many games as you wanted but only the last 20 would count. This had a bigger risk in losing because if you had 5 games won in a row and lost your 6-10th games, you would have to win 5 straight like you did before and then you could begin replacing losses with wins. Was a very tedious challenge. Then it became last 30 count and now we have elo system. There really is no 'old system' just a bunch of modifications.

As for your point of credibility, I have been playing CWs almost twice as long as you have. I have CW'd a lot in every system. Does that mean I'm better than you? No. But I have more experience with the older systems so I have credibility to point out some of the good things that were replaced by the newer systems.

The CW system was not elite before. It was the best players but the best players for their rank. That's why asking for ranks were so important back then. Nobody brought forth their top 3 players each time. They would bring their best rank 6, their best rank 9, and their best rank 10 if those were the ranks the other team were playing. That also inspiried a lot of clans to recruit low ranks and train them to be very very good so that way if they were played, the other clan would be forced to play a rank 6 that may suck in comparison. I was used a lot as a rank 6 and 7 back when I was in evoL even though I had only trained a month or two I had the ability to win vs higher ranks. A team that could recruit a rank 6-7 that could cap a rank 9-10 was considered a God and a valuable asset to the clan and they were played very often. This also discouraged SP farming since everybody wanted to keep their rank low so they would be considered a good player for their rank. I remember almost getting a mod to take 15k SP away when I played UN prior to competing. I would have gone through with it if not for the need to get faster inf.

Escrito por Milkyy, 04.05.2015 at 08:04

Escrito por Fockmeeard, 04.05.2015 at 07:06

What if we added more seasons and made a set amount of games for each season with a tourny playoff at the end of each season to determine best clan? This in addition to cw elo.

I like this idea. But if it isn't supported by many and doesn't get implimented, i personally prefer the new system

There would be no reason to not support this. The new system is not going away. We might as well just rename it "ranked 3v3s" and allow them to be played in the regular game lobby. Then my proposed system can take place in the CW room.

Anyways, lets give it 24 hours and hear the majorities opinion. Really looking for opinions of people like b0nk/acqui/desu/laochra and others like them.

Thank you meester for helping explain my points.

Lets take a look at the culture a year ago.

There would be two types of 3v3s. A rank 6-7 3v3 and a rank 8-9 3v3. Lower ranks would learn and train in the lower level 3v3s. Top tiers would train in the upper level 3v3 since playing with low ranks wouldn't help them.

Ranks 8 were considered all right. Ranks 9 were considered really good. Rank 10s and above were considered gods. Now look at the field. Palve and commando as rank 9s, opi as rank 11. These ranks have become saturated with noobs. You can't make a 3v3 anymore and distinguish ranks to play with top tier people. Ranks have become inflated because of the 2x sp. Noob clans cw other noob clans and earn a shit ton of sp for it. The 2x sp was only to increase popularity so RP players would have incentive to play competitive games. It needs to be removed.

CWs were sacred. A loss would be devastating. It really forced everyone to do their best. People achieved their best by training in 3v3s.

Clans actually made inner 3v3s at one point. A rare occurance nowadays.

No matter what argument you have in support of the new system, why is it that any competitive sport has a set amount of games? Why is it different for us?

What if we added more seasons and made a set amount of games for each season with a tourny playoff at the end of each season to determine best clan? This in addition to cw elo.

DISCLAIMER:

***Clovis I have you ignored. I suggest all others follow the same so this thread does not self destruct***

We have had record breaking number of CWs this past year. But that is ruining the competitive scene.

A.) There is little to no cost in losing. There is an unlimited amount of CWs so there is always time to make up losses.

B.) Not very many quality players play 3v3 since more CWs can be played.

C.) There are less 3v3s nowadays because of point B. Nobody wants to play with non 3v3ers or new 3v3ers. Rank 8-9 3v3s usually reserved a place for top tier players to play their 3v3s. Due to scenario farmers jumping over to become 3v3ers and people only CWing and earning double sp for it, ranks have become inflated preventing a reservation being placed.

D.) Because of point C, the only place to actually play against quality players on a consistent basis is by CWing. CWs have essentially become a ranked 3v3 which has ruined the sport. CWs are now more "hey lets CW, we got this new rank 7 and a rank 9 who only played scenarios before so we can match your team" clans will scrap together any trio as long as it means a game so they don't just sit in the lobby bored.

E.) Since point A and D, CWs have become meaningless. Who cares if you lost. Who cares if you won. With a limited amount of CWs, each one is carefully planned and usually only played with top tier players which inspired every non-top tier player to become better. With no cost in losing, nobody takes any shame with them to help turn them into a better player. You're the reason why your clan lost one of only 10-20 games will have you carry a great burden. You're the reason why your clan lost a game where there are unlimited games? Well shit that's ok, there will be plenty more, just keep your head up.

CWs have essentially become the modern day 3v3. There is no competiveness. We adjusted the system to boast more activity but all of this 'activity' has just transferred all the 3v3 players to only playing CWs. CWs have become saturated and meaningless. No competitive sport can have meaningless games.

We might as well just rename the CW system the "clans ranked 3v3 section" and open up another lobby for something more competitive.

You can host any tourny but mods decide if a trophy is given or not.

Somebody tell me the point of ranking the top of the bottom?

Can somebody get clovis and croat to ignore me? I'm tired of notifications from retards.

Escrito por Zeeroo, 26.04.2015 at 12:02

Im assuming you all know what happened with blitz, and its one-sided nerf that the whole ''community'' agreed, there has been a lot of complains about this, from a lot of players including me, still, how do we expect to make the admins know what the community wants if we don't stop these guys that think EU is the whole game? the fact that 15+ people changed a strat for such stupid reason is sad, the selfishness is disturbing, yet is our fault, we didn't stop these guys for doing it, noone did something to stop the ''mayority'' of atwar, we let their cry topics fulfill their purporse without resistance, and thus, let the admins think that it was the whole community opinion, that being said, we must stop this from happening again, we,the people in forum that thinks that a country isn't enough to nerf a strat,we have to critizice these cry threads as much as we can to avoid the EU guys do whatever they want with our game.

EDIT: by EU players i mean anti blitz ukr players

Hi, lets get one thing straight. There are two and 1/2 communities that exist atwar. 3v3 players and scenario/custom map players. The other 1/2 eventually fall into one of the other two groups at some point usually before rank 6.

With that said, 3v3 players demand changes to strats and get these changes because

a.) 3v3 players know game/strategy mechanisms better than anyone else
b.) The changes we make result in more balanced play between players even if it might piss noobs off
c.) all of the above

As for map and scenario games the map maker can easily revert these changes by changing levels of att/def.

These changes only effects our realm and even if it by chance makes your RP or other bs game that likely does not involve skill, unbalanced, your map maker can manually change unit powers.

Eh, what does it matter when any rank joins a game in the beginners lobby? If it's not a 3v3 player and just some scenario noob, there is no difference in skill set.

Watch Croat play.

Then do the opposite of everything he does.